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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Hi, not sure if I'm doing the right thing posting here but thought someone might be interested. My Brother died in acting rank whilst on active service, as he has no dependants, his pension will not be an acting corporal rank but an SAC. The day after his death the MoD told us he was to be made up to Corporal and indeed in the case against the MOD ( preliminary hearing this week) they have put Corporal down on the paperwork. Still they are arguing the toss ( probably many soldiers died in acting ranks without dependants so it's a floodgates thing). Any comments, thoughts, anything that you may have to say that may help in the preliminary hearing would be greatly appreciated. My stepdad has been working hard on his arguments but fresh views might help. Sorry, grammar terrible, I'm on an I-phone!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:11 pm 
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gwojtak,

Sorry to hear about you loss.

You might get a better response by posting this on the e-goat web site – they have past and present admin types who should be up to speed on this type of situation.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:02 pm 
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Thanks, will do that!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:03 pm 
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I will ask about too see what comes up and will keep you informed . per ardua

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Respect to you and your Marcin.

I can't be of any help but rest assured I wish you the very best in this. It's bullshit that the MoD uses people in acting positions because they need them and then kicks them into touch when it goes wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:42 pm 
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John, have just read about this pension dispute; its been quite a while since Ieft, as far as I remember acting rank was just that, you substansive rank is the one they work on; I seem to remember some where that if you were paid as acting then there was a time period envolved. But this is just typical of how bad service people are treated by MPs. A question that you might ask is why is Tony Blair is receiving two pensions one as an MP and another as Prime Minister. Yep two pensions, and they are quibbling over paying out on a guy who did his job. But they pay out on one who took us to war and got these guys killed.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:05 pm 
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Fraze Barkway I'm sure a devastating media campaign could sort this, Marcin died wearing Cpl tapes and so he should be administered as a Cpl, the rule book is of no interest to me on this one. Write to Grp Capt Scott Miller OC Honington and tell him what is happening.
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JB:

You're far more into the Facebook Rocks than me... Can you start something there... Social media has a bigger influence than it should in most facets of life but this is one it should absolutely be used for...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:47 am 
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Firstly, may I say I am very sorry for your loss. Secondly, didn't the government change legislation in January 2011 as the following article suggests?



​The mother of a serviceman killed in Afghanistan has welcomed news that bereaved families are to receive a fairer pension.
Senior Aircraftman Marcin Wojtak was an acting corporal with 34 Squadron Royal Air Force Regiment when he was killed in Helmand in October last year.
Marcin’s mother, Teresa Woods, and husband Carl, of Croxton Kerrial, near Melton, questioned the Ministry of Defence over why his death in service pension was being paid at the lower rank, rather than as a corporal.
Now South Leicestershire MP Andrew Robathan, who is Minister for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans, has announced changes to the system.




From January 3, the Government will pay full benefits to families of soldiers killed while in “acting” roles.
Previously a member of the Armed Forces had to serve at least a year in the acting role before their pension entitlement increased.
Mrs Woods said: “We were originally told that because Marcin was only an ‘acting’ corporal when he died, that was not a substantive rank. However, Marcin died because he was doing a corporal’s duties. This has now been recognised.”
The new legislation comes after a campaign led by the relatives of Sergeant Matthew Telford, of Grimsby, who was killed in Afghanistan.
They had pressed for his pension to be reflected by his rank when he died.
Marcin’s family and those of two other servicemen will now receive a £20,000 lump sum, reflective of the higher rank.
Mrs Woods added: “It’s not just for us - we are parents – but it is important for young mums with children whose husbands or partners die while serving in an acting rank.
“We shouldn’t have had to go through this and it won’t help those affected who served in the Gulf wars or the Falklands, but we know there are an amazing number of young people being made up to acting ranks before they go to Afghanistan.”
From January, pensions will be paid on the basis of a serviceman’s or woman’s acting rank, regardless of how long they had been serving in that position.
An MoD spokesman said as a result of Sgt Telford's case, death benefits from January 3 would be paid “on the basis of acting rank”.
Mr and Mrs Woods have also fought a campaign with the MoD over the introduction of more heavily armoured vehicles for use by servicemen in Afghanistan.
Marcin was commanding a lightly-armoured Vector vehicle when it was blown up by a roadside bomb.
They are also reading through 500 pages of witness statements from a joint Army and RAF service inquiry into Marcin’s death in readiness for his inquest, which is yet to take place.


Read more: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/F ... z2O4Rw6PWy


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:17 am 
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GingeM wrote:
JB:

You're far more into the Facebook Rocks than me... Can you start something there... Social media has a bigger influence than it should in most facets of life but this is one it should absolutely be used for...



have have posted the initial post as a start to a thread ginge

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